Curse

Carinae · Sep 09, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Amand

With such a posting you lose all creditability and all respect. Not in the slightest way are you able to take critics and respond maturely.

And you aren't in the slightest insulted by the hypocracy of the post that I responed to?

Everyone here should be deeply insulted by people that say 'it's just a game'. Every build that people spent time thinking up....just a waste, it's only a game. Every win in HOH, just a game.

If it were just a game there would not be Rank/Fame or Faction.

That I am wasting my time playing a game a little competitively and I should take do something with my life more meaningful, and this coming from person browsing an internet forum about said game?

COME ON! Don't Get All Holier Than Thou as well. He deserved every bit of my response. It WAS a stupid thing for him to say. Period.

I spent 6 months playing this game. Role-Playing with a single character (I have 3, but one is my favorite) and now, my 'career' in the game is ended, arbitrarily by a patch. And on top of that, he gets to judge MY CHOICES especially when nothing I did hurt him in any way.

But he seems to take comfort in the ending of my play style. OK thats fair.

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

That might be true for you, but for others the storyline, characters, and exploring are what PvE is meant for.

the game should and is whatever you want it to be...you can still farm, you can still get uber weapons, you can still collect gold...you just can't sell crap weapons for godly amounts of money.

p.s. the storyline is atrocious

burai · Sep 09, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by UnOrthOdOx

"Earned"
"Worked Hard"

Ya know what. I have a job. I work hard at my job. I earn a paycheck that pays for a house for myself, my wife, and 2 kids. I earn a paycheck that puts food on the table, and allows me some luxuries among which include an internet connection and maybe a game roughly every 3 months or so.

I got news for some of you. There IS NO 'hard work' in a video game. There is no "earning". And where some of you come off telling my what I've "earned" the "right" to use in a GAME is beyond me. IT'S A GAME. GAMES ARE MEANT TO BE FUN, not work.

Yes, I am a casual gamer, though my wife thinks differently. I can spend an hour, maybe two, maybe 5 times a week. More like 3 nights on average.

I get farming.

I get item collecting.

I've done soloing myself. I understand the joy and fun.

What I'm not getting is what the complaint is. Those gold items are still out there to be found. Soloing is still waiting to be done.

"The economy is ruined". How? We are talking about the joy of collecting the items here, right?

Yes, gold items might drop more often. How many of them are perfect?

Yes, green items are pretty good. From what I've seen they are still not perfect.

I completely agree with you my friend - I also work, have a wife, etc. However, in this context 'hard work', 'earned' and so on is simply a reflection of the time & effort you have put in to the game. If you spend 2 hours of your valuable time trying to find a weapon, etc. that you like - that's the 'hard work', and you have 'earned' that nice weapon you were looking for. We're talking 'virtual hard work' and 'virtually earning'.

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Why is sleazy? It's sleazy to ask me to sell things below market prices.

Isn't that the problem? People charging increasing amounts of (albeit not real) cash, are driving the prices up. If you identify your gold items you will see they have a value attached. Why not charge that plus a little (say 50%) for your time and 'virtual effort'

. Then you could buy the weapon you wanted at the same reasonable price. Just my opinion. I don't actually expect anyone to take any notice.

I know it's quite sad, but I really just want us all to get on and enjoy the game together - as a community. Unfortunately that would be so unlike real life I doubt our brains could cope with it, and we'd all disappear in a puff of love and peace.

Loviatar · Sep 09, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

[QUOTE=Carinae Dragonblood]Why is sleazy? It's sleazy to ask me to sell things below market prices.
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i thought this was truly amusing.

market prices are by definition what the marker will pay for an item.

you simply are unhappy with fair market prices

TIP

dont like the offer .........dont sell

digimonizm · Sep 09, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by trelloskilos

Maybe you should change the word "Communism" - it doesn't work here.

If your goal in the game is to achieve 1000k in your storage, with FoW armour, "Godly" weapons and all that jazz, you're playing the wrong game. Traders charging 100k+ in LA for uber-rare weapons are playing the wrong game. People feeling obliged to buy ebay money so they could aquire these items, or people striving to obtain these items are playing the wrong game.

Why should there be a single most coveted weapon in the game when it does the same amoiunt of damage as the others (give or take a few %)? Why should anyone choose to pay 50k+ for a weapon because of the colour of the lettering, and what exactly is fun about standing in LA shouting "WTS, WTS" just cos you were lucky enough to find a gold item?

Also, did you ever notice that the merchant value on these items is roughly 200-500g? - These items were never intended to swap hands over 100k+50 ectos. They are rare, and it's still costly and difficult to find one to suit you, but at least you can do it while you're playing the game....and best of all, LA traders will not be so ridiculous in their advertising, pitching or price-setting, and people can get on with playing the RIGHT game!!

actually communism is exactly the word to use, b/c what ANET is trying to do is to make a level playing field for mainly the pvp crowd and the communist approach is the right one to take. Although ANETS original intention FOR the pve is so we could unlock better mods and runes to use in guild battles, were not supposed to be treating this game as Diablo II, instead were supposed to be playing this game as Warcraft III or Socom II (ps2).

Me, im a big fan of first person shooters and strategy games in general and they did a very good job with the faction, so good in fact that i have stopped playing the pve portion of the game because it is useless to me now other than to get into a clan or guild, but before i played it to unlock the skills, item mods and runes. So...to conclude ANET has done a very good job b/c they have improved the main aspects of the game (which are on the box

) and i commend them on a job well done

lol, imagine if Socom 2 had uber l33t mods for their guns that only certain people who play the longest get and others dont, it would be utterly stupid in my opinion.

Sciros Darkblade · Sep 09, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Well, I guess it *IS* true that besides the fact that it is online multiplayer, Guild Wars does have one of the shoddiest RPG Campaigns I've played in recent years. Though the reasons why are NOT AT ALL those that this update addressed. I had no problem with farming, high prices (honestly if you couldn't afford those items, who gives a crap? the coolest weapon I always thought was a +5 energy sword that cost 2k from a crafter... it's no longer there, but it's been replaced by another decent one), running, etc. Just about the only thing I had a problem with that ANet felt the need to somehow address was scamming. The rest are more about the core fundamentals of GW's PVE design and not quite something a random update can fix.

Although the fact that it is online multiplayer is a huge saving grace.

Whoever brought up the fact that you can now customize your weapons without feeling like you screwed yourself out of a "rainy day 250k," made a good point.

If people care about uniqueness, and I actually do, then ANet needs to add more personalization to weapons, even if its purely cosmetic. Make dyes actually color the weapon, not a random tiny piece of cloth on it, etc. How strong the weapon is never really mattered; it was all about looks anyway.

Carinae · Sep 09, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by UnOrthOdOx

Ya know what. I have a job. I work hard at my job. I earn a paycheck that pays for a house for myself, my wife, and 2 kids. I earn a paycheck that puts food on the table, and allows me some luxuries among which include an internet connection and maybe a game roughly every 3 months or so.

That's nice. I'm glad for you. I also have a job, and I make a paycheck that allows me to do all the things you mention. There is an implication you are making that only time at work is valuable to you. Is that the case? Your free time is worthless to you?

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I got news for some of you. There IS NO 'hard work' in a video game. There is no "earning". And where some of you come off telling my what I've "earned" the "right" to use in a GAME is beyond me. IT'S A GAME. GAMES ARE MEANT TO BE FUN, not work.

Yes, I am a casual gamer, though my wife thinks differently. I can spend an hour, maybe two, maybe 5 times a week. More like 3 nights on average.

EVERY SINGLE serious PvP player should be deeply insulted by this comment. If it was just a game, there would be no PvP Ladder, my friend. There would be no Rank/Fame emotes. There would be no Faction or Experience Points.

We are not complaining about a spell 'nerf' or 'bot-nerf'. Bots are bad, and some spells needed to be rebalanced.

I am upset because everyone is taking glee in our misfortune, and being very self-righteous about how we are the cause of everything wrong with GW. We weren't making people pay 50 plat for a sword. A collectors sword is just as good. This is the market for wants, not needs.

And on top of that we get criticized by Mother Teresa-types saying were wasting our time playing games when others are out there saving kittens, or stoping fires or pulling dead people out of homes in New Orleans. Come On!

Were not playing patty-cake here. We spends lots of time playing and then when changes are made that invalidate hundreds of hours of game time, we get rightfully upset. is that articulate enough for everyone.

Do you understand why we are upset? We spent a lot of time playing, fighting mobs, fighting in the UW/FoW to aquire these items and a cash reserve.

Elemental Evil · Sep 09, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

OMG I got to about page 2 before I just quit reading all the moronic whining about green items.

I really think all your little crys about all thats left is PvP can be sumed up by reading the title of the game. GUILD WARS!! This game was based on a PvP type combat, the PvE combat was there to acquire what was needed and train you for PvP. If you were not interested in a PvP game why would you buy a game like this? (Yes I understand that many that play only do PvE, why I have no clue)

I for one love the new changes, I currently have everything unlocked for 3 classes and 80% of the last 3. There is so MUCH to unlock it and was insane to try and get every single skill, upgrade, and rune. Now people that actually want to compete in GvG aka GUILD WARS, can do so without spending a lifetime grinding the game. Some may leave but the people who actually understood the concept of this game from the start will remain.

Too all the rest of you grinding, gold collecting, price stabbing traders....go back to your EQ now pls. I for one will be happy to not see the 1000 lines of WTS in public chat in every town for GOLD UBER items.

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Elemental Evil

the PvE combat was there to acquire what was needed and train you for PvP.

then maybe they should make a better effort to properly design a PvE environment...as is the PvE campaign is lacking the proper difficulty to train you for PvP.....

Pure Domination · Sep 09, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

100% agreed

but some people only care for what suits them with no regard for others

I NEVER saw a farmer complaining about the way other ppl enjoy the game.
I NEVER saw a farmer forcing anyone to buy the shit he found.
I NEVER saw a farmer crying to nerf PvP / PvE in any way.

But I lost count in the threads ppl complaining about the farmers...

Elemental Evil · Sep 09, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

then maybe they should make a better effort to properly design a PvE environment...as is the PvE campaign is lacking the proper difficulty to train you for PvP.....

Ok, maybe that was poorly stated. Maybe acquire yes, but train only in the sense of learning the interface, skills, and other fundamentals of the game. That was my meaning by training, not that PvE taught you how to organize a team build for PvP. But it did teach me enough about skill use to understand how skills work, what works good against certain other classes, how skills from different chars work together to help complete missions easier, so in a way it forced some assemblence of teamwork. PvP offeres the building blocks for learning your char which is essential for PvP. Sorry if I made a rash statement without clarification.

Carinae · Sep 09, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Why is sleazy? It's sleazy to ask me to sell things below market prices.
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i thought this was truly amusing.

market prices are by definition what the marker will pay for an item.

you simply are unhappy with fair market prices

TIP

dont like the offer .........dont sell

Lovitar, I am happy with fair market prices, when a free market is allowed to occur. But the latest patch will FLOOD the market with Golds and Greens with perfect stats. So it's true that fair market value for these items will be reduced. You're right.

The point though, is that, as many have said, no one needs a perfect stat item. They can play with cheap collectors items just fine.

Rare perfect items SHOULD be expensive, not cheap. Now Gold and Green arent rare... they are cheap.

Great. Now everyone can have that perfect item with 1% more damage. It's won't make you a better player.

But it was FUN to find a great, rare item and get excited that people would really pay fo this or that. Cool, and I get closer to Fissure Armor too! Woot.

But of course thats a waste too. We should all be the same monotonous robots, with the same stuff.

In fact we shouldn't even be reading this. We should all drop what were doing and go down to New Orleans and save everyone. That's more important than this silly Guild Wars game. Why are we here writing in this forum? Don't we feel mortally guilty that we aren't DOING something productive with our lives? Think about all the hard work OTHER people do, they goto work and other rescue people and others put fires out, and how we just play games. Man. We suck.

Pandora's box · Sep 09, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Pure Domination

I NEVER saw a farmer complaining about the way other ppl enjoy the game.
I NEVER saw a farmer forcing anyone to buy the shit he found.
I NEVER saw a farmer crying to nerf PvP / PvE in any way.

But I lost count in the threads ppl complaining about the farmers...

Amen... Its only a game, and players are supposed to have fun. Than stop forcing players to do things they dont like. This week we *must* work together to get access to the real nice gaming spots in PvE. What will it be next week? The need to win 3 games of tic-tac-toe in a row before being able to enter HoH?

Carinae · Sep 09, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Pure Domination

I NEVER saw a farmer complaining about the way other ppl enjoy the game.
I NEVER saw a farmer forcing anyone to buy the shit he found.
I NEVER saw a farmer crying to nerf PvP / PvE in any way.

But I lost count in the threads ppl complaining about the farmers...

Amen!

burai · Sep 09, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Elemental Evil

I really think all your little crys about all thats left is PvP can be sumed up by reading the title of the game. GUILD WARS!! This game was based on a PvP type combat, the PvE combat was there to acquire what was needed and train you for PvP. If you were not interested in a PvP game why would you buy a game like this? (Yes I understand that many that play only do PvE, why I have no clue).

Oh! not that old chestnut again. You carry on enjoying the game your way - clueless apparently

We can carry on enjoying the other aspects of the game, like PvE. Title aside; check the game synopsis on the gw web site. It sounds like Anet designed this game to be both, and not one being a training ground for the other.

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Originally Posted by Pure Domination

I NEVER saw a farmer complaining about the way other ppl enjoy the game.
I NEVER saw a farmer forcing anyone to buy the shit he found.
I NEVER saw a farmer crying to nerf PvP / PvE in any way.

But I lost count in the threads ppl complaining about the farmers...

Don't get me wrong - a big part of the fun I get from GW comes from farming. However, I do it mainly to buy armour, etc. (and probably keys now too). The weapons I had no need for I used to give away - but now that I know many of these people immediately run off and sell it for 1000s, I just sell them to the trader - or salvage them for the mods.

Farmers do often complain about nerfing though!

I'm just trying to post enough to become a Cervantes - don't know what it means, but it sounds jolly nice.

Teklord · Sep 09, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

I laugh out loud everytime I see someone say the game was designed as PvP centric. I just hear the same phrase from Spaceballs over and over again:

"Ha! You feel for the oldest trick in the book. What is with you man, come on!!" (May not be exactly quoted as its been a while since I've seen the movie. Used to use this all the time in Duke Nukem as a 3rd party RTS taunt file, ah the good old days).

Anyway, a PvP centric game would not require any PvE at all. Just give everyone everything they need to configure their characters and then let them go at it in the Arenas. What else can I say? Oh, well the storyline missions surely are not there for PvP. Whether you like the storyline or not is irrelevant (just responding to something I know will come up). Umm, Chapter 2. Well that'll be more storyline! Holy cow, the expansions aren't going to be created solely for PvP, shocking. So in the end you are left with a game (and yes its JUST A GAME) designed with both elements in mind; it really and truely is that simple - its not hard to see, and its not hard to understand this, is it?

capitalist · Sep 09, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

I'd say that if someone wants to have "uber items" and "look cool" this isn't the game for you. Maybe Diablo 2?

This game has NEVER been about "uber" anything, whether items, gold accumulation or skills. Sheesh...read the game box before you buy it next time.

It's not about this, yet everyone seems to want uber godly stats on their weapons, even if they dont make a difference to game play. Even when people were selling uber godly weapons, the game still wasn't about them. You could play the game and enjoy it without them, but there is no reason to take these items away from people that like spending the time collecting and trading them.

capitalist · Sep 09, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Pure Domination

I NEVER saw a farmer complaining about the way other ppl enjoy the game.
I NEVER saw a farmer forcing anyone to buy the shit he found.
I NEVER saw a farmer crying to nerf PvP / PvE in any way.

But I lost count in the threads ppl complaining about the farmers...

/signed

asdar · Sep 09, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

This is a simple equation.

People don't need farmers but farmers need people.

I don't want to have to satisfy your need just to get the best gear in the game. I'd rather feel the satisfaction of getting the item myself.

Algren Cole · Sep 09, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by asdar

This is a simple equation.

People don't need farmers but farmers need people.

I don't want to have to satisfy your need just to get the best gear in the game. I'd rather feel the satisfaction of getting the item myself.

farmers don't need people....